Imam Hussain Makki defeated Kim on the word Slave and racism in ISLAM- watch live debate in facebook
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"Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, 'If a black man comes to you, his heart is more gross than a donkey's." Ishaq 243
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Kim Jane Naadirah Abdool are you lying again? Here this disproves your last lie: http://hadithcollection.com/abudawud/236-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2004.%20The%20Rites%20of%20Hajj/16638-abu-dawud-book-004-hadith-number-1814.html
Naadirah Abdool yes indeed jesus(pbuh) is my prophet too and i too believe he did no such thing,nor do i believe muahmmed or any of the prophets of the god of abraham did- Kim Jane Muhammad trades away women captured from the Banu Qurayza tribe to non-Muslim slave traders for property. (Their men had been executed after surrendering peacefully without a fight).
- Kim Jane Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons."
- Janet DeMent Sferrella You lie Imam The word(s) "slave" appears 166 time(s) in 153 verse(s) in Quran in Mohsin Khan translation.
- Kim Jane So Imam is stating the Quran is wrong and he is right.....let the quran define slave for you dear Imam Hussain Makki '
- Naadirah Abdool no one is lying,deaf dumb anbd blind your hate for islam is so strong that you will not take time to see,read or study or even merely discuss without posting referances WHICH YOU CLAIM to be true like wild,posting like this wildly is not a rational way to communicate more just showing your hate for muahmmed(pbuh) and the god of abraham
- Imam Hussain Makki dear kim ....where is the word slave has been used in quran ..... dear kim .....why are you simply difining the meaning of your choices and showing quran is wrong ...
- Janet DeMent Sferrella If you find these things disgusting, as you should, then it is time to leave Islam and repent.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Imam says there is no such thing as what your right hand possesses in Islam yet there are five references to freeing a slave in the Qur'an, three are prescribed as punitive measures against the slaveholder for unrelated sin, and limits the emancipation...See More
- Naadirah Abdool janeti HE is my prophet,do you not see i dress like his great mother mary with the headscarf? indeed i love them very much
- Kim Jane Given that there have never been abolitionary movement within the Islamic world, it is astonishing to see contemporary Muslims write their religion into the history of abolition. The lie - that the eradication of slavery had something to do with Islam - has been repeated so often that those who parrot are blissfully ignorant of its lack of factual foundation.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Naadirah Abdool, do you believe Jesus died, rose, and will come again? Are you born again? Do you pray "Our Father"? If not, you do not know the Jesus of the Bible, friend. You've been taught a fake Jesus.
- Kim Jane slavery is still practiced in the Sudan, Niger, Mauritania and a few other corners of the Muslim world - and you won't see any of those Muslim apologists (who shamelessly repeat the lie that Islam abolished slavery) doing or saying anything about it!
Zachary Wade I dont think he is really an Imam. Question, why does the Muslim men have young boys for sex slaves in Afghanistan?- Imam Hussain Makki so this is great live debate is happening ...very great kim...go ahead answer me ...dear kim
- Kim Jane In fact, a fatwa was recently issued from a mainstream Islamic source reminding Muslim males of their divine right to rape female slaves and "discipline" resisters in "whatever manner he thinks is appropriate". Not one peep of protest from Islamic apologists was recorded.http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/33597
- Kim Jane In 2011, what passes for a women's rights activist in Kuwait suggested that Russian women be taken captive in battle and turned into sex slaves in order to keep Muslim husbands from committing adultery. (Other calls for turning non-Muslim women into sex slaves can be found here).
- Janet DeMent Sferrella LOVELY: Naadirah Abdool, any response?
Praise be to Allaah.
The woman does not have the right to refuse her husband, rather she must respond to his request every time he calls her, so long as that will not harm her or keep her from doing an obligato...See More - Kim Jane Since Muhammad was a slave owner and slavery is permitted by the Qur'an, the Muslim world has never apologized for this dehumanizing practice. Even Muslims in the West will often try to justify slavery under Islam, since it is a part of the Qur'an
- Naadirah Abdool no i do not believe jesus died,i dont believe in todays bible,i believe the same jesus you believe in the difference is you believe he is god while i believe he is a prophet,but your hate for the fact that i believe he is a prophet is so strong that you cant even digest rationally that this is my belief,many christians respect my belief of prophet jesus ,seems as you are run by hatred.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella What is bad (slavery, rape, oppression of women) is called good in Islam and what is good (Jesus) is called bad/liar.
- Naadirah Abdool @kim-my fathers,brothers uncles and friends menfolk none own any slave nor do we believe muhammed(pbuh) teaches this,it seems as though you are affliated with the extremists,so your anger is towards them and not me nor my prophet muhammed(pbuh)
- Kim Jane Naadirah Abdool we do not Judge a religion based on what you and your uncles do, we judge it by it's holy book and spiritual leader
- Janet DeMent Sferrella It's not about what good people do, Naadirah. It's about the precedent and teaching of your beloved Prophet. He did own slaves, he did teach others to own slaves, and he did rape. Some Muslims continue that practice today.
- Kim Jane You have already shown you are a bad Muslimah, surah 33:33, as well as other passages state you are to stay quietly in your home not speaking to men unless under compulsion
- Naadirah Abdool you still never prove to me the quran permits slavery,you merely posted like wild statements that you misinterpertred and aslong as i say anything it will always be wrong because you have your mind set and everyone else is lying,i wonder if you are just bipolar because normal christains i know dont carry on so irrationally
- Kim Jane You are commanded to obey Allah's final revelation in Surah Taubah, can you do that, are you doing that 9:5, 9:27-29? If not then you are a bad Muslimah and should rip Surah Taubah out of your Quran and protest to have it burned
- Kim Jane Naadirah Abdool the truth hurts but rather than prove us wrong you just sit here and cry, whine and complain. Please be the hero in your life and not the victim
- Mary Charity Ur muslim leader abdul ehre admits tehre is slavery in islam...u go agianst that leader?
- Kim Jane Take a stand against Islam which is under Allah's revealed word for all time, never to be changed. Take a stand for the 12-27 million slaves under arab rule today. Maybe you can be the first Muslim slave abolitionist?
- Imam Hussain Makki hahahah dear kim, i ask you simple question in which you are doing confusion....where is the word Slave in Islam, it was pracitse by europe and supporter of european culture ...
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- Kim Jane Naadirah Abdool are you lying again? Here this disproves your last lie: http://hadithcollection.com/abudawud/236-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2004.%20The%20Rites%20of%20Hajj/16638-abu-dawud-book-004-hadith-number-1814.html
- Naadirah Abdool yes indeed jesus(pbuh) is my prophet too and i too believe he did no such thing,nor do i believe muahmmed or any of the prophets of the god of abraham did
- Kim Jane Muhammad trades away women captured from the Banu Qurayza tribe to non-Muslim slave traders for property. (Their men had been executed after surrendering peacefully without a fight).
- Kim Jane Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons."
- Janet DeMent Sferrella You lie Imam The word(s) "slave" appears 166 time(s) in 153 verse(s) in Quran in Mohsin Khan translation.
- Kim Jane So Imam is stating the Quran is wrong and he is right.....let the quran define slave for you dear Imam Hussain Makki '
- Naadirah Abdool no one is lying,deaf dumb anbd blind your hate for islam is so strong that you will not take time to see,read or study or even merely discuss without posting referances WHICH YOU CLAIM to be true like wild,posting like this wildly is not a rational way to communicate more just showing your hate for muahmmed(pbuh) and the god of abraham
- Imam Hussain Makki dear kim ....where is the word slave has been used in quran ..... dear kim .....why are you simply difining the meaning of your choices and showing quran is wrong ...
- Janet DeMent Sferrella If you find these things disgusting, as you should, then it is time to leave Islam and repent.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Imam says there is no such thing as what your right hand possesses in Islam yet there are five references to freeing a slave in the Qur'an, three are prescribed as punitive measures against the slaveholder for unrelated sin, and limits the emancipation...See More
- Naadirah Abdool janeti HE is my prophet,do you not see i dress like his great mother mary with the headscarf? indeed i love them very much
- Kim Jane Given that there have never been abolitionary movement within the Islamic world, it is astonishing to see contemporary Muslims write their religion into the history of abolition. The lie - that the eradication of slavery had something to do with Islam - has been repeated so often that those who parrot are blissfully ignorant of its lack of factual foundation.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Naadirah Abdool, do you believe Jesus died, rose, and will come again? Are you born again? Do you pray "Our Father"? If not, you do not know the Jesus of the Bible, friend. You've been taught a fake Jesus.
- Kim Jane slavery is still practiced in the Sudan, Niger, Mauritania and a few other corners of the Muslim world - and you won't see any of those Muslim apologists (who shamelessly repeat the lie that Islam abolished slavery) doing or saying anything about it!
- Zachary Wade I dont think he is really an Imam. Question, why does the Muslim men have young boys for sex slaves in Afghanistan?
- Imam Hussain Makki so this is great live debate is happening ...very great kim...go ahead answer me ...dear kim
- Kim Jane In fact, a fatwa was recently issued from a mainstream Islamic source reminding Muslim males of their divine right to rape female slaves and "discipline" resisters in "whatever manner he thinks is appropriate". Not one peep of protest from Islamic apologists was recorded.http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/33597
- Kim Jane In 2011, what passes for a women's rights activist in Kuwait suggested that Russian women be taken captive in battle and turned into sex slaves in order to keep Muslim husbands from committing adultery. (Other calls for turning non-Muslim women into sex slaves can be found here).
- Janet DeMent Sferrella LOVELY: Naadirah Abdool, any response?
Praise be to Allaah.
The woman does not have the right to refuse her husband, rather she must respond to his request every time he calls her, so long as that will not harm her or keep her from doing an obligato...See More - Kim Jane Since Muhammad was a slave owner and slavery is permitted by the Qur'an, the Muslim world has never apologized for this dehumanizing practice. Even Muslims in the West will often try to justify slavery under Islam, since it is a part of the Qur'an
- Naadirah Abdool no i do not believe jesus died,i dont believe in todays bible,i believe the same jesus you believe in the difference is you believe he is god while i believe he is a prophet,but your hate for the fact that i believe he is a prophet is so strong that you cant even digest rationally that this is my belief,many christians respect my belief of prophet jesus ,seems as you are run by hatred.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella What is bad (slavery, rape, oppression of women) is called good in Islam and what is good (Jesus) is called bad/liar.
- Naadirah Abdool @kim-my fathers,brothers uncles and friends menfolk none own any slave nor do we believe muhammed(pbuh) teaches this,it seems as though you are affliated with the extremists,so your anger is towards them and not me nor my prophet muhammed(pbuh)
- Kim Jane Naadirah Abdool we do not Judge a religion based on what you and your uncles do, we judge it by it's holy book and spiritual leader
- Janet DeMent Sferrella It's not about what good people do, Naadirah. It's about the precedent and teaching of your beloved Prophet. He did own slaves, he did teach others to own slaves, and he did rape. Some Muslims continue that practice today.
- Kim Jane You have already shown you are a bad Muslimah, surah 33:33, as well as other passages state you are to stay quietly in your home not speaking to men unless under compulsion
- Naadirah Abdool you still never prove to me the quran permits slavery,you merely posted like wild statements that you misinterpertred and aslong as i say anything it will always be wrong because you have your mind set and everyone else is lying,i wonder if you are just bipolar because normal christains i know dont carry on so irrationally
- Kim Jane You are commanded to obey Allah's final revelation in Surah Taubah, can you do that, are you doing that 9:5, 9:27-29? If not then you are a bad Muslimah and should rip Surah Taubah out of your Quran and protest to have it burned
- Kim Jane Naadirah Abdool the truth hurts but rather than prove us wrong you just sit here and cry, whine and complain. Please be the hero in your life and not the victim
- Mary Charity Ur muslim leader abdul ehere admits thehre is slavery in islam...u go against that leader?
- Kim Jane Take a stand against Islam which is under Allah's revealed word for all time, never to be changed. Take a stand for the 12-27 million slaves under arab rule today. Maybe you can be the first Muslim slave abolitionist?
- Naadirah Abdool @mary-what you believe to be truth and what i believe to be truth is 2 different thing,use have chosen to hate muhammed and misinterpret the quran,no matter what i say use will not reason,to an extent where you post wild without any reason that which you believe to be true while me not,this is called hatred
- Imam Hussain Makki hahahah dear kim, i ask you simple question in which you are doing confusion....where is the word Slave in Islam, it was pracitse by europe and supporter of european culture ...
- Mary Charity I don't believe u I believe what ur muslim leader admitted u can do taqiyah for all i know ur not a muslim leader@naadirah
- Imam Hussain Makki where is our friend of kim , why they are not answering me.... where is the word SLAVE in Islam ....
- Kim Jane 91 verses in the Quran tell Muslims to emulate the example of Muhammad....we posted all the passages in which Muhammad condoned sex with slaves and bought and sold slaves.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Naadirah Abdool, why do you follow a religion and prophet that hates God's creation? God loves all people no matter what color.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Condones slavery, oppresses women, calls Christians and Jews monkeys and apes. Islam reveals a god that hates even what he supposedly created.
- Naadirah Abdool jesus is jesusmonly one jesus ever came whether he be a god or prophet,only 1 jesus came,shame! islam orders the freeing of slaves and to only enjoy intercourse with freeing the slave and she must be willing,Allah loves you all and so does prophet muha...See More
- Imam Hussain Makki dear kim you are writing the word which is translated, .... wait i m quoting in arabic the word rakabatain is used, which means that which have brought for rehabilatation of women prisoner of war .... dear ...
- Imam Hussain Makki yeah kim, u have use the word right hand possesses, that means rehabitalation of women prisoner of war
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Naadirah Abdool, this is confusing the thread. Let's have this discussion on another thread, please? This thread is about slavery. I am sorry I diverted.
- Naadirah Abdool Allah loves you all,prophet muhammed(pbuh) never did what you misinterpret,slavery is not allowed but only ordered slaves to be bought in order to be freed and married if she wishes,muhamed loves all women and so does jesus,moses and Allah,take care guys,mwa xoxo
- Imam Hussain Makki word to word translation of quran ....dear kim erse (4:92) - Word by Word
Word by Word
Quran Dictionary
English Translation
Syntactic Treebank...See More - Janet DeMent Sferrella I read the word TRANSLATED BY ISLAMIC SCHOLARS to slave, but I am not supposed to trust them because Imam says the word should be rehabilitation? SMH
- Imam Hussain Makki dear kim look yourself what is the word used in arabic ... it is ...(24:32:1)
wa-ankiḥū
And marry CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
V – 2nd person masculine plural (form IV) imperative verb
PRON – subject pronoun...See More - Janet DeMent Sferrella Dear, every translation from your scholars is translated as slave. Do you know better? Perhaps you should write them and tell them of their mistakes?
- Kim Jane Imam is a taqiyya expert...no one needs to know Arabic, right hand possesses is clearly separately distinguished from "WIVES"
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Apparently, Islam according to Imam, is that we are not to trust what we actually read, we need to trust him alone.
- Imam Hussain Makki but the word in arabic has not stated slave like what majority so called christian define for slave ....when you type in images.google.com a slave girl you will get the photo of it, what majority of so called christian define the word slave, it is not mean that ....dear kim
- Kim Jane Oh shush with you lies....the Quran As well as Hadiths AS WELL AS Ibn Kathir just DEFINED it for you.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Everyone with the ability to read can see clearly what your writings reveal. Imam, stop lying.
- Kim Jane Let the Tasfirs speak for the definition not a google'd slave photo as Imam says to do LOLOL
- Imam Hussain Makki dear kim, you are just confusing yourself not other dear, the arabic word has not stated as what you are defining and what so called christian community define the word slave girl ....dear
- Kim Jane LOLOL so you are saying that Ibn Kathir is wrong and your googled googlie eyes are better at determining what a slave is? LOL
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Wonder how far that garbage would fly in the Islamic world? Why haven't they corrected Ibn Kathir's obvious errors, dear?
- Kim Jane Yea Janet, Has Imam protested in his Mosque to have Ibn Kathir's commentaries on ALL those passages burned???
- Imam Hussain Makki you are changing the meaning of slave, as what define for slave in christian dom is different as what define in general is different, in christian dome the slave means, in which you do sex, and distribute the sex to other, and earn money out of it, and...See More
- Kim Jane No one is changing it dear, we are using the definition from the Quran and Hadiths and Ibn Kathir ...now have a lovely day this room is for no Bull
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Ibn Kathir's confusing us. I'll make you a sign to carry in front of the Mosques, dear!
- Janet DeMent Sferrella IBN KATHIR no more! His writings must go. He's confusing the Christians!! Will you carry this one, dear?
- Kim Jane Make him a sign which says "Why are we still using Ibn Kathir....Imam has abrogated all of his works! Let's burn Ibn Kathirs commentaries!"
- Kim Jane Imam needs detox from Ibn Kathir and the hadiths and Quran as he states he doesn't believe any of them. 1400 years of Muslims in every country have gotten it wrong and he is the only right one!
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Goats on t-shirts for the beautiful black Muslim woman!! That will get the job done!!
- Kim Jane 27 Million slaves under arab rule today all because of a mistranslation of the arab vowel in Imam's Quran
- Imam Hussain Makki hi kim, you hateredness is taking you to confusion.... pls check the word in arabic what it has used....and then talk dear kim and janet ....the great
- Kim Jane Let's just go with the assumption that you are right, Imam Hussain Makki and Muhammad was wrong....then why isn't he the first ARAB slave abolitionist? Hello? Where is his picket sign? Will he now protest Arab slavery?????
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Hate? what hate? God loves ALL people. He made them! He doesn't call us monkeys and apes. He doesn't hate the beautiful black people He created. Why aren't you willing to carry a sign and wear a shirt, dear?
- Kim Jane Will you be willing to carry a picket sign against having "what one's right hand possesses" in Manituria ???? or Nigeria? or Sudan??????
- Janet DeMent Sferrella There's obviously been a horrible injustice done in translation!! You should be willing to fight to the death to have this matter cleared up, dear.
- Kim Jane What would the 27 million slaves be saying right now at our words? That because we want them freed, we are hateful? I think not. You would love to make us the perpetrator Imam, but you are not the victim, the 27 million slaves raped right now under arab rule are the victims
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Hate turns a blind eye and makes ridiculous claims that those who say it's wrong are full of 'hateredness '
- Imam Hussain Makki kim this is documentation debate, ....this is not oral debate,...... everything is documentated.....you are confusing it can be seen very clear ...because it is documented, this is the reason why lieer is afriad to debate with me..... .simply you are making jokes of yourself....
- Kim Jane Imam's silence is deafening! "To keep silent in the face of evil, is evil itself" - Bonhoeffer
- Janet DeMent Sferrella this is a discussion and the documentation given reveals a religion full of hate and racism.
- Kim Jane Alive Through Faith Please see above, just as Imam did with your debate. He will be posting this stating he won. Imam, please post it all in context and I will be checking your site. This is not a salad bar, you cannot cherry pick nor chop it up. You clearly lost the debate and truth has prevailed once again. I want ALL the Tasfirs, 8 Quran passages (with their explainations) and hadiths posted
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Imam, I read the entire thread on that debate. Sorry for your embarrassment, dear. Alive Through Faith, clearly posed questions that went unanswered.
- Zachary Wade Huh! Imam Hussain Makki says that this a documentation debate and not an oral debate and yet he has never given documentation for most of the claims he has made in this group. Muslims want documentation when we say something but dont want to do that when it concerns them.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Maybe, but why would anyone care about ridiculous hypotheticals and conjecture when the Truth has been revealed?
- Ruth Messenger About the original post....This means every black man has a heart as gross as a donkey...I think a donkeys heart is much cleaner than the one of a Muslim does not matter what color he has.
- Ruth Messenger Btw...that is discrimination...calling black ppl hearts more gross than those of donkeys.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella It's worse, Ruth. It reveals a god that created and then has disdain for what he has created. Only in Islam. The God of the Bible clearly loves ALL peoples that He has created. He so loved the WORLD.
- Amso Raj Wow! Here comes Jordan! Well! Holy book! Should i start another topic about "the holy book"
Imam Hussain Makki sirously you people here are not for guidance but for trying to confuse yourself and your followers, and you people have forget that this is documentation debate ...not oral debate...
- Janet DeMent Sferrella Imam, we share the truth with you. God loves you and He wants you to know Him. He has sent the Savior for all.
- Imam Hussain Makki already we follow Jesus dear, and you know soon Jesus is going to appear in syria....
- Janet DeMent Sferrella You do not follow Jesus as He has revealed Himself, Imam. The Jesus found in the Qur'an is not the true Jesus.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella The Qur'an came 600 years AFTER the crucifixion and resurrection. These were events eyewitnessed.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella ATF, that was the FIRST Christian song I heard after being born again. It is my ABSOLUTE favorite! ty.
- Janet DeMent Sferrella It was my ring tone for 2.5 yrs until I just changed it to Glorious Day this year after seeing Casting Crowns. Still, SHOUT TO THE LORD is my FAVORITE!! love it!!
- Alive Through Faith It was my caller tune. Have you heard Mark Schultz version? That was the time, when I bought a good boom box for my computer.
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